Drive-By Commentary on Georgia v. Russia

By Tyler DiPietro

I’m not fully coming out of hiatus, but those who regularly read this space have just got to know that I would have to put a few things on the table regarding the Georgia-Russia flare up. Here are some quick bullet points:

  • Georgia fucked with the bull, and it got the horns. Unfortunate, but predictable, and they were foolish to seek this kind of conflict.
  • Georgia was especially foolish if they expected American military aid in this debacle. America isn’t going to take on the Russian Bear, it only attacks small countries that can’t defend themselves. With rare exception Europe does little more than watch approvingly.
  • American and generally Western anti-Russian rhetoric will amount to little more than bluster. There is little “punishment” of any consequence that the U.S. or E.U. can feasibly inflict on Putin at this point, especially as he is a major supplier to E.U. petrol. Money talks, bullshit walks.
  • On the independence of South Ossetia I remain neutral. The bleating of self-congratulatory liberal “internationalists” and neocons notwithstanding, the inevitable fallouts and persistent turmoil in former Soviet satellite states is of no legitimate national security concern to us. In other words, it’s none of our damn business. I do, however, enjoy watching those who tub-thumped for Kosovo independence and bombing of Serbia tie themselves in knots trying to rationalize away the obvious hypocrisy.
  • That is all.

    UPDATE: I mean, seriously guys, we gotta think of something to punish Putin. There has to be material consequences to this sort of action. It’s not like the United States would ever invade a small, militarily weak country with no realistic chance of defending itself against our superior military on what could charitably be called “faulty pretexts”…oh wait.

    HAHAHAHAHA DISREGARD THAT LAST STATEMENT; I SUCK COCKS!!!

    UPDATE II: Okay, I can see that the little bubble of self-congratulation the West has blown for itself since the fall of the USSR could stand a little more poking. “New Age of Authoritarianism”, really Mr. Keller? Both Russia and China have come a long way from their mid-20th. century incarnations, which were Stalin and the Cultural Revolution, for those who are interested. This overall trend still holds even when we concede, for the sake of argument, that the kleptocracy conducted by Yeltsin and the Oligarchs constituted anything but another incarnation of authoritarianism. Meanwhile, in the U.S. the national-security state has reached previously inconceivable heights and our Constitutional law is increasingly being looked at as a set of purely discretionary guidelines. Let’s not get too fucking holier than thou on our Eastern rivals. I’m just not motivated to join into the chorus of Russo-sinophobia gripping the Western media right now. The only thing that is different now from 15 years ago is that neither Russia nor China is a pushover for the dictates of the Western powers. How does that shoe feel on the other foot?

    UPDATE III: Something to think about…

    Of course, a mirror-image situation exists in Russia, which has asserted that up to 1500 people have been killed by Georgian forces in South Ossetia as part of an alleged ethnic cleansing operation, and where the media have been largely quiet on the air bombing of the Gori apartment blocks. In the rare event that these reports have appeared on the Russian news (just as a minority of US shows, like Countdown with Keith Olbermann, have reported on Georgian attacks in Ossetia) they remained in the distinct minority. But it is notable that much of this selective coverage has been down to government censorship, with journalists who had been reporting on the sorties, like Russia today’s William Dunbar, being taken off the air.

    What is troubling is the US media’s willingness to similarly tow the party line, but in the absence of any of the coercive measures, such as the state censorship, that the Russian press endures. There have been no William Dunbars on CNN, despite the fact that every report I’ve seen on the channel yesterday had been framed as “Russian invasion”, with endless clips of Saakashvili alleging Russian crimes etc, in a loop of totally pro-Georgian coverage. Georgia is a key US ally, the 3rd largest troop contingent in Iraq, and occupies a strategic, oil rich zone. The self-policing in the US media, which has basically been uncritically promoting government talking points, is very disturbing.

    UPDATE IV: Am I right or what?

    15 Responses to “Drive-By Commentary on Georgia v. Russia”

    1. windy Says:

      “the inevitable fallouts and persistent turmoil in former Soviet satellite states is of no legitimate national security concern to us. In other words, it’s none of our damn business.”

      Soviet satellite states were East Germany, Hungary, Poland & co… I think you mean former Soviet Republics. Those include the Baltic states, and in the theoretical case that Russia pulled something similar on them, it wouldn’t be easy to ignore even for the US.

    2. Tyler DiPietro Says:

      “Those include the Baltic states, and in the theoretical case that Russia pulled something similar on them, it wouldn’t be easy to ignore even for the US.”

      Well, Russia’s been violating Lithuanian airspace for a while now, and we’ve managed to ignore it thus far, with no material consequence to our own national security.

    3. windy Says:

      “Russia’s been violating Lithuanian airspace for a while now”

      Eh, that’s just business as usual. Things like this are a lot more fun:
      http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/08/oh_joy.php#comment-1047088

    4. Tyler DiPietro Says:

      That thread is actually pretty funny.

    5. windy Says:

      I’m just not motivated to join into the chorus of Russo-sinophobia gripping the Western media right now.

      Well, to me the cocksuckery of the US does not mitigate the cocksuckery of the rest of the Big Three ;) Do you object to phrases like “Cold War chills” because to you they sound like code for “let’s blame the Reds for everything”?. Maybe it is so to Americans, but to the rest of us it just sounds like “Oh, cold war? So I guess the big guys are going to take turns fucking the small guys again” If it’s descriptive, not prescriptive, Cold War sounds about right.

      PS. Have you read Putin’s Russia? It’s on Google Books.

    6. Tyler DiPietro Says:

      “Do you object to phrases like “Cold War chills” because to you they sound like code for “let’s blame the Reds for everything”?”

      My sense is that the American media is trying its damnedest to resurrect an old, bygone enemy. I look at the blatant anti-Russian bias through this whole debacle as a data-point in my favor, you’d have to dig hard for even a mention of the fact that Georgia initiated the aggression against a province that has been de facto independent since 1991, prior to Russian intervention.

      “Maybe it is so to Americans, but to the rest of us it just sounds like “Oh, cold war? So I guess the big guys are going to take turns fucking the small guys again”

      Understandable, but perhaps it’s better to have a polarized axis of power in the world rather than have one, big global superpower (read: the U.S.) free to “fuck with the small guys” to its seemingly unattainable satisfaction.

      “PS. Have you read Putin’s Russia? It’s on Google Books.”

      No, I haven’t. That’s the one by Politkovskaya, IIRC. I will in the future.

      EDIT: One other thing I should mention is the hypocrisy here, as I mentioned in the Ed thread. We’re the one’s meddling in Russia’s sphere of influence, going as far as their borders, not the other way around. There is no fucking way in hell that America would tolerate this kind of behavior on our borders or traditional sphere of influence without military intervention. And it would be seen as entirely justified.

    7. windy Says:

      you’d have to dig hard for even a mention of the fact that Georgia initiated the aggression

      Yep, got to hand it to you guys, the propaganda is incredible. And just to think that a few years ago Russia was the comic relief guy of international politics.

      against a province that has been de facto independent

      OTOH, so was Chechnya, Russia didn’t seem to mind them.

      prior to Russian intervention.

      Prior to Russian military intervention. Apparently they’ve been handing out Russian passports like candy.

      We’re the one’s meddling in Russia’s sphere of influence, going as far as their borders, not the other way around.

      But the charming little friends you have found there, you sure know how to pick ‘em!

    8. Tyler DiPietro Says:

      “Yep, got to hand it to you guys, the propaganda is incredible.”

      Glad I’m not the only one being entertained. :P

      “OTOH, so was Chechnya, Russia didn’t seem to mind them.”

      Which is partially my point – both America and Russia are glad to accept or reject claims of independence as long as it recognizes it as being in their interest. See Serbia/Kosovo for another example.

      My point is only that most don’t appear to realize this basic fact, you’ve been the exception.

      “Prior to Russian military intervention. Apparently they’ve been handing out Russian passports like candy.”

      True, but a substantial majority there are ethnically Russian and Russian sympathetic from what I understand.

      “But the charming little friends you have found there, you sure know how to pick ‘em!”

      Har har. ;)

      You’re not gonna get any argument from me on that front.

    9. Nio DiPietro Says:

      :( I sure hope Putin doesn’t commandeer a giant bi-pedal, nuclear equipped death-tank via a group of crazy, psychotic, anti-social freaks with super powers lead by a blonde clone with a bad British accent and a crazy Russian sadist with an electricity fetish and likes to make finger guns at people. ‘Cause he’d use it to destroy America or get some other crazy clone with electric tentacle arms to run for U.S. presidency and make him steal it to destroy America or something. No wonder the paranoid-delusional worrywarts who are stuck in the glory days when it was okay to beat your wife and kids and hate black people fine folks at FOX News are worried!

      My point is communists and nukes are bad, I think.

      …..

      Putin looks pretty hot shirtless.

      I think I just discredited myself there. Oh well.

    10. Tyler DiPietro Says:

      That would make an awesome storyline for the next Metal Gear game. See, you are about to discover who the Patriots are, but subsequently discover that Putin used a combination of polonium 210 and his awesome Sambo skills to destroy them. So he’s the final boss, and since he’s stolen the ultimate Metal Gear he’s invincible. The only way to beat him is to convince Rupert Murdoch to give you free airtime on Fox News to talk about what an authoritarian bastard he is.

    11. Nio DiPietro Says:

      Hey, yeah! I can be just like those watered down versions of George W. Bush if you spliced their DNA with that of satan and the homeless guy rooting around for trash in the dumpsters behind the FOX TV studios brilliant hosts Bill O’Rilley Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade who rape my virgin ears with their hate-mongering and blatant idiocy are there to constantly assure me that a) they are looking out for me and b) Putin, Communists, Russia, and Poor People are evil and out to hurt me.

      :( But they’d probably make me me Gretchen Carlson, whose only job is to sit there in the middle of their jerkin’ circle ’cause conservative men think that’s all that women are good for and look pretty.

      Also, If Putin meows for back-up in the heat of battle and twirls revolvers like a true Russian cowpoke, I am totally on his side. In fact, I think I found the man of my dreams. Too bad he’s married. And a communist/facist/dictator/despot. And, from what Bill O’Reilly tells me, a puppy kicking baby eater who uses Americans to start his outdoor barbeque.

    12. windy Says:

      Hey, now we are even getting personalized propaganda:

      Brzezinski: “In effect, morally and strategically, Georgia is the Finland of our day”

      Which ethnic minorities was Finland bombing when the Soviets attacked? Fuck that revisionist bullshit.

    13. Tyler DiPietro Says:

      A-HA! And A-HA, again! I knew you were a Norse person of some sort.

    14. windy Says:

      That I am, but considering my present location and that loyalty statement they had me sign, I should probably ask everyone to disregard everything I said so far, I SUCK COCKS wait no I don’t since that would be illegal or something! Go USA! Go Georgia! Go freedom!

    15. Tyler DiPietro Says:

      Really, it would be? That blows, because sucking cocks is fun.

      Thanks to me, this thread is officially toast.

      EDIT: But just for the record, I don’t think you automatically get sent to Gitmo for this stuff. You have to have darker skin first, so avoid tanning if you’re in a warm climate.

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